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Pacifica prides itself on being an informed and engaged community. However, the entire limited debate over the question of police out-sourcing to the Sheriff has been anything but informed. Almost every key fact has been withheld from the public. How can the public have an honest debate without themselves knowing the facts?  No one outside of the 5 people on city council know what is going on. Regardless of one's position on police out-sourcing, no facts on the city website means the public is in the dark. 

 
That lack of public knowledge has to stop.  During my 14 years on the Pacifica School Board I have always been willing to have public hearings to get public input.  Reaching out to the public during these meetings is also an opportunity to inform the public on the facts. Making reports and documents available ahead of time clearly is required to have an informed debate at the meeting!  If I am honored by a vote this November to elect me to city council, a revision of open government rules will be my first agenda item.
 
I strongly urge that City Council at its next meeting, Monday August 27, vote to place all documents regarding this issue on the city website. Post the Sheriff bid, SSF's bid, the City's consultant analysis and all other communications back and forth among all parties. 
 
Even the City's press release announcing the abandonment of the Sheriff contract is not on the City's website. In 2012, you would think all vital City communications and documents would be on the web!
 
Posting all documents may not change anyone's mind. But sunshine on government business and transparency is a foundation of American government. It's about time it's also a foundation of Pacifica government.
 
Mike O'Neill, candidate for City Council

Bhatman August 23, 2012 at 03:59 pm
It's surprising that someone running for City Council doesn't understand the concept of privileged, confidential information, I'll remember his naivety when it comes tome to cast my ballot. Revealing these discussions after the fact creates an element of distrust and compromises the integrity of the city as well as protecting we, the taxpayers in the event of litigation or administrative proceedings. I don't argue for or favor an absolute right of privilege but in matters involving employment, contracts and other matters with outside third parties I am happy to cede my "right to know" to my elected representatives whom we have placed in trust to act in the public's welfare. We have seen on the State Government level what happens when all decisions are left to the general electorate through ballot propositions - legislative gridlock. Let the City Council do it's job. Nihart and Stone will regret at some future date that they have joined this short-sighted and unnecessary grandstanding going on as we approach the November election. One day they will want to keep other discussions private too and we will remind them of their demands for transparency.
hutch August 23, 2012 at 05:13 pm
Batman sorry you don't understand what's going on here. The Police outsourcing study has nothing to do with labor negotiations because it was taken off the table last week. There is no reason not to release it. I know you're fond of people like Dejarnett, Digre and Vreeland who have severely damaged this city so I'm not surprised to hear your fauxrage.
Bhatman August 23, 2012 at 06:07 pm
Hutch you are the confused one (as usual). The report was done by an outside consultant and may contain private personnel information. Why do believe your politically motivated goals trumps employee privacy? I know you are fond of people like Ron Paul so I'm not surprised by your heartless tea-party mentality but do us all a favor and fold your personal attacks eight-ways and shove it where were you do you your best thinking.
Mike ONeill August 23, 2012 at 06:57 pm
Let's be nice and civil with one another. If there were specific personnel items the macro information should still be relevant and understandable. The specific names, salaries or whatever else could be whited out.
My experience is that when there is a vacuum such as not having any information miscommunication, distortions, and urban legends start that may or may not be true. The facts are the facts whatever they are.
Lionel Emde August 24, 2012 at 01:46 am
"The report was done by an outside consultant and may contain private personnel information."
This is pure speculation, which feeds the myth that public information should be "kept private." A report on potential cost savings of outsourcing the police department, (or not) paid with taxpayer funds, should be public information the moment the councilmembers receive it. The July 11 closed-session meeting was posted "conference with labor negotiator..." and Ms. Ritzma was the only party listed in that meeting as a negotiator. It isn't permissable under the Brown Act that a full-blown public policy discussion take place, it flies in the face of the law. A consultant wouldn't be allowed, nor would a report generated by and for a public policy issue be allowed. If you wish to have others do your thinking, you should choose more wisely.
hutch August 24, 2012 at 12:02 pm
Thanks Lionel and Mike.
See batman, maybe you can learn something if you listen instead of making personal attacks to cover your ignorance on a subject. BTW, I've been a Democrat for over 35 years. So much for your clairvoyant abilities buddy.
Bhatman August 24, 2012 at 03:59 pm
Many people call them selves "Democrats", it's a big tent, someone though has to eventually shovel out the elephant poop.
Bhatman August 24, 2012 at 03:59 pm
..."the myth that public information should be kept private." Myth? Isn't that the point of a closed session; is that allows the evaluation of data or create a framework so the city can set a negotiation strategy without disclosing that strategy? Closed sessions are legal in CA for this reason. Of course, no deals can be signed in closed session but discussions are routine and should be, just like when the City goes through it's the labor contracts process. Whether the session was called by the city attorney as opposed to staff is a technical aside, which those who want to attack the City Council are now using to claim this process is somehow illegal, utter nonsense. It is foolish and ignorant to call for the city to negotiate in public.
Individuals have used these circumstances to sue cities for these types of minor technical breaches, which can result in financial rewards at the cost of the taxpayers because it's cheaper to settle. I question the motives of these "litigious vultures". Nihart and Stone are creating a tempest over nothing that could trip up the City costing us taxpayers THOUSANDS, if they do we will put the blame on them.
Bhatman August 24, 2012 at 04:02 pm
Such generic impractical thinking is something not desirable in a candidate for City Council. Leave the blanket statements for blog writers, Pacifica needs real managers.
hutch August 24, 2012 at 04:31 pm
^ Can you say hissy fit?
Vince Chutney August 24, 2012 at 09:23 pm
Why is it that I am 100% confident that if moderate Democrats, moderate environmentalists or God forbid, Republicans, were the majority, Bhatman would be screaming for transparency and an even bigger tent? When his buds are in charge (i.e., DeJarnatt and Digre) it's quite a different story and the tent turns into an extra small sleeping bag. City Hall may not be transparent but Bhatman always is. Always.
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hutch August 25, 2012 at 02:26 pm
Sorry your thread got hijacked Mike.
So can you tell us Mike, besides open government what you would specifically do to save this City from possible bankruptcy? Would you raise taxes or fees? Push for more cuts is services? Make negotiating more wage and benefit reductions a priority? Streamline planning and approval to encourage more development?
Lionel Emde August 27, 2012 at 11:43 am
"Isn't that the point of a closed session; is that allows the evaluation of data or create a framework so the city can set a negotiation strategy without disclosing that strategy?"
If the data has been released to the public, yes, you are correct, the council can evaluate anything they like and instruct the negotiator accordingly in closed session as to the city's bargaining position to bring to the table with the unions. But that's not what happened here. The council, through a slimy strategy dreamed up by the city attorney, thought they could conceal a consultant's work AND information from the county and South San Francisco as to cost savings (or not) regarding the potential outsourcing of the police department. The July 11 closed session was posted "...conference with labor negotiator." and the consultant and his report were not posted as being present or being a subject of discussion. That's not allowed under the Brown Act. Two strikes - illegal posting and improper content during the meeting. The third strike - and we will have to wait to see - was the issueing of a sudden "press release" that said: "Oh well, never mind! No outsourcing." without any public process having ever taken place! That release, which Patch reports the city manager won't take ownership of, was right after another closed session on Monday Aug. 13 at the council meeting. Who exactly is running this city?
Bhatman August 27, 2012 at 02:47 pm
Mr. Emde, I think I see the reason for your confusion in this matter. Have you wrongly concluded, based on the letter from O'Connell to Wagner (http://www.pacificariptide.com/files/pacifica-sheriff-bid-ltr-08242012.pdf) that a final decision in regards to outsourcing has been made? If I read you correctly here - "...and we will have to wait to see - was the issueing of a sudden "press release" that said: "Oh well, never mind! No outsourcing." it seems you've jumped to that conclusion, whereas the letter simply states: "The City has decided not to make any proposals to the police union to contract out police services at this time." This doesn't preclude that a decision has been made or closed future consideration. The facts don't seem to fit the your outrage.
Lionel Emde August 28, 2012 at 12:03 pm
So Bhatman, who authored and/or is responsible for the letter? The city manager refused to say to a reporter who's responsible. And the Tribune reports the surprise of many parties, including the cops, at the sudden decision by an unknown party.
"The City" is not an entity we can hold responsible.
Lionel Emde August 28, 2012 at 11:37 pm
Hey Mr. Bhatman, where are you?
I would like an answer to my questions. You don't seem to know much about closed-session parameters, as witnessed by your statement: "The report was done by an outside consultant and may contain private personnel information." The city council only has power over two positions - city manager and city attorney. If they had a closed session posted "performance review," yeah, that might contain personal details as regards performance of those two parties. But to say that other personnel's "personal details' could appear in closed session, well, that's just wrong, bro. So do tell us how the city can be ruled by unsigned decrees with no authors willing to take responsibility?
hutch August 29, 2012 at 03:03 pm
Ha, evidently the general council for Californians Aware and general council for the Ca Newspapers Publishers Assoc feel this was a definite violation of the Brown Act. And that the outsourcing report had nothing to do with negotiations.
NOW sneaky Pete Dejarnett is claiming he wanted this to go public all along and the Mary Ann and Len were in the wrong by going behind his back. Oh this is getting good.
hutch August 29, 2012 at 05:20 pm
So yeah, Batman is wrong as usual.

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