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Chamber of Commerce Supports Sharp Park Golf Course

Urges city council to make an official vote of support

Chris Porter, president of the Pacifica Chamber of Commerce, sent a letter to city council on March 26 urging it "to agendize and officially vote to reaffirm your support, as you unanimously did on December 10, 2007” of the Sharp Park Golf Course.

This letter comes in the wake of to the course from the environmental community.

Read the letter in the gallery to the right. 

James Wagner March 31, 2011 at 12:14 AM
I'm happy to see the city and chamber team up to protect our economic interests.
James Wagner March 31, 2011 at 12:16 AM
I'm happy to see our city and chamber of commerce working together to maintain our business base.
Scotty March 31, 2011 at 01:49 AM
Who says the city is teaming up? Sue, Pete, and Jimmy V never take a stand on this issue because they're scared to upset the environmental wingnuts. Perhaps now they'll at least state a position once and for all. I didn't agree with Julie on lots of things, but I always admired that she stood up for what's best for the city when it came to Sharp Park.
Bhatman March 31, 2011 at 03:31 PM
The Pacifica CofC would rather put a few bucks in the pockets of its members then take a position that actually helps the town economically by admitting the golf course is a drain on resources and adds nothing to the tax base. I suggest they do a survey of Pacifica business to find one business that derives benefit from the golfers (other then the course itself). Here's and idea: a use tax (similar to the hotel tax)that tacks on 5 bucks for every round of golf. At 50k rounds that a quarter million in revenue. Bet the golfers say no because cheap golf trumps everything - flood risk, loss of species, economic stagnation,recreational opportunity for all. Go back to sleep CofC, you're consistently out of touch with reality.
Scotty March 31, 2011 at 03:46 PM
At least the golfers pay to use the golf course (and pay to dine at the restaurant and pay to buy equipment at the pro shop). How much do the people on Mori's Point next door contribute to businesses? Since it's totally free, why aren't there more of them? How many fewer would there be if you slapped your hiking tax on them? Here's a hint to help you answer all these questions: we have plenty of open space and trails already, and people are voting with their time and dollars to say they want to keep the golf course. Go back to sleep, Hallman.... You're consistently out of touch with reality.
Bhatman March 31, 2011 at 03:57 PM
Mori Point as part of the National Park Service is supported by our federal tax dollars which we all pay, thus your argument is laughably inapplicable. You've avoided the 2 questions - name a business other then immediately at the golf course that benefits - YOU CAN'T ! Are you willing to pay a "golf tax" to help out Pacifica? (of course not). Wake up Snotty.
Scotty March 31, 2011 at 04:08 PM
Hmmm.... So let me repeat your point, and let's let sensible people determine if it's laughably inapplicable: Citizens have to be forced via federal taxes to pay for Mori's Point, but people voluntarily pay their hard-earned money to access the golf course. I can't name a business that immediately benefits, but you can't name a business that would benefit from turning it into a swamp. There are multitudes more people coming to Pacifica to play golf than come to Mori's Point, and anyone with the sense God gave a RLF can surmise that they spend more locally than the few hikers next door.
Bhatman March 31, 2011 at 04:16 PM
Yes you are being FORCED to pay taxes (and why am I sure that if it wasn't the law you would freeload your way through life, but I digress) - it's called a public benefit - even if you never go to Mori Point, or send kids through school, or your house never catches fire, or you don't come down with small pox you pay taxes for the benefit of the public good because it improves life. Why am I sure you won't understand this simple point Snotty?
Bhatman March 31, 2011 at 04:27 PM
Can I name a business that would benefit if Sharp Park is restored - yes! All of them! Because a restored (not a swamp) Sharp Park would bring in far more visitors that would spend money in Pacifica then the golf course ever would, bringing in much needed sales taxes - to the benefit of all businesses and residents of Pacifica. How do we know this to be true? Studies have been done to show this is what happens when parks are created. Do you want to read the study? http://www.npca.org/climatechange/restore/pdf/Restore_a_Nation_NPCA_2010.pdf
Scotty March 31, 2011 at 05:22 PM
There are lots of public benefits. If I had a choice, I (and many others) would absolutely choose to direct my tax dollars to essential services for our near-bankrupt community or to help people that have been affected by the recession, rather than spend it on things like your silly frog sanctuary. You can click your heels together and proclaim "studies have shown" and "there's no place like home", Dorothy. I'll rely upon the obvious fact that people are already virtually ignoring the park next door and choosing the golf course.
Camden Swita March 31, 2011 at 06:43 PM
Do you think council will make the vote at the next meeting?
Bhatman March 31, 2011 at 06:58 PM
no.
Camden Swita March 31, 2011 at 07:08 PM
So, what's the difference between 2007 and now? Why won't they vote in your opinion?
Rocky March 31, 2011 at 08:07 PM
"a restored (not a swamp) Sharp Park would bring in far more visitors that would spend money in Pacifica then the golf course ever would, bringing in much needed sales taxes - to the benefit of all businesses and residents of Pacifica. How do we know this to be true? Studies have been done to show this is what happens when parks are created." The referenced study does not examine a case where a golf course or other recreational facility already exists next to a national park. Are people seriously arguing that removing an active golf course to expand the park will actually increase visitors? That's absurd.
Chris Porter March 31, 2011 at 10:32 PM
The Sharp Park Golf Course is being marketed by the Chamber of Commerce as a recreational benefit to visitors. The green fees here are very reasonable and tee times are obtainable. Business people enjoy golf as part of a three to four day conference at the Lighthouse Hotel or hopefully at the new Barry Swenson complex. Visitors come in, stay a few days, pay hotel fees, dine out, visit the art and theatre outlets while hikers bring their bottle of water and sandwich, spend the day, use the facilities and leave. This is the same for the beach people on the weekends who come into town with their picnic, enjoy our free parking, sunshine and beach and leave without contributing anything to our city but their leftover garbage.
Bhatman April 01, 2011 at 04:32 AM
So now the CofC denigrates visiting hikers and beach goers - why not just tell them to avoid Pacifica completely! I hope the City Council takes note and if there is any money going to the CofC cuts off their funding! How's this for a headline: Pacifica to visitors - GO AWAY!
Scotty April 01, 2011 at 06:15 AM
That's what the idiotic frog people say regarding the historic Mackenzie-designed golf course we currently have. I assume you have a problem with that too?
Steve Sinai April 01, 2011 at 06:36 AM
Hey Hallman, in case you hadn't noticed, your beloved trails and open space haven't been attracting any visitors. There are always lots more golfers at Sharp Park than there are hikers at Mori's Point.
PTP April 01, 2011 at 05:24 PM
Unfortunately, the golf course advocates are once again showing their economic ignorance by arguing that Pacifica would realize a greater financial benefit by retaining the golf course rather than opting for the proposed restoration and resultant National Park inclusion. As Bhatman so wisely points out, the golf course advocates cannot name a single Pacifica business that benefits from the golf course other than Sharp Park’s own restaurant. Not one! Using the Chamber of Commerce’s own statistics, since the inclusion of Sweeny Ridge, Mori Point, Milagra Ridge and the Pedro Point Headlands into the National Park System, Pacifica has realized a significant bump in tax revenue through the concessionary sale of tie dyed shirts, Birkenstocks, hemp jewelry, stained glass, incense, medicinal cannibus and trail mix – irrefutable proof that the time honored adage “Our environment is our economy” rules the day. And, with the ever declining value of the U.S. dollar, doesn’t it just make good financial sense to transact in food stamps rather than old fashioned greenbacks? Isn’t it about time you plaid pants, two toned tasseled shoe wearing middle aged rich white guys learned a lesson from The Street, “Frogs and snakes just plain make good business” ?
Chris Porter April 01, 2011 at 08:04 PM
No one is telling any visitor to go away but that the paying visitors are greatly appreciated. And to answer a question from another, I can't name a business that benefits from the hikers with their water bottles and energy bars or family beach goers bringing in their picnic lunches. This is reality.
Jay Summers April 17, 2011 at 04:52 PM
Why wouldn't the Pacifica Chamber of Commerce support a free golf course? Pacifica does not have to worry that the golf course consistently loses money, and Pacifica does not have liability for any of the several open ended multi-million dollar cost of liabilities, which include flooding, lead poisoning, sulfuric acid contamination, legal costs for violation of endangered species and clean water acts... Pacifica pays its Chamber of Commerce salaries. Clearly, not a good value for Pacifica voters.
Scotty April 17, 2011 at 05:30 PM
Again, you frog people make no sense whatsoever. How much revenue does Mori's Point bring in, Jay?
PTP April 17, 2011 at 06:10 PM
Jay, I really enjoyed my "free" round of golf yesterday at "The Park"! You should have seen me! On the par 5 fourth, slight frog leg to the right, I whaled my tee shot and got on the dance floor in two. I proceeded to can a forty foot double-breaking snake for a bald eagle. See how I did that? Showing that golf and endangered species are compatible and all...
Bruce Hotchkiss April 17, 2011 at 08:58 PM
Whether other businesses in Pacifica benefit from the golf course or not is a red herring. The fact is that the golf course adds to Pacifica's bottom line through sales tax. Mori's Point adds nothing to Pacifica's bottom line. So Bhatman, tell us one business that benefits from the handful of visitors to Mori's Point. And let's make it clear once more that I, Bruce Hotchkiss, no longer live in Pacifica. Please also note that I, Bruce Hotchkiss, have always used my name on all my posts.
Steve Sinai April 18, 2011 at 12:23 AM
"Pacifica pays its Chamber of Commerce salaries. Clearly, not a good value for Pacifica voters." No, Jay. The city does not pay CoC salaries. Stop making stuff up. You sound like Plater. And you forgot to mention that the golf course is a nuclear waste repository, too.

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